MGF Mafia 3: The Woodsboro Murders

[weavo]

Why would duck say he was the jock if he was really mafia?

[Dirty Duck]

Why would duck say he was the jock if he was really mafia?

There are 12 roles and there were 12 players at the start of the game. Every role could potentially be an accomplice. It's up to you to scrutinise whether that would make sense on a role by role basis.

[Annoying Prick]

Why would duck say he was the jock if he was really mafia?

I think the idea is that any of the archetypes can also be mafia. Notice that it says there can be multiple accomplices to the killer but only lists one role for the killer. In this case either The Jock was always a killer accomplice or The Jock was framed.

Otherwise I don't understand how the framing mechanic works. The point is that if you die with the ghost costume planted on you then the town are led to believe you're mafia when you aren't. If Agent was framed then why would Duck just tell us that he wasn't mafia? That's not framing someone.

EDIT: Wrote this without refreshing to see Duck's message.

[weavo]

Ah, makes sense. But then it would make just as little sense for the mafia to kill Agent if he was mafia as it would if they were trying to frame him, so we're back at the most likely scenario being Agent getting killed accidentally while mafia were simultaneously trying to frame him. (It seems reasonable assume they were not so dumb as to try and kill Aragorn after he was confirmed to be final girl.)

EDIT: Unless Agent was intentionally using his jock power to nueter Aragorn's invulnerability, and the mafia didn't realise they had to wait an extra day before killing Aragorn so as not to kill Agent. But that would be a pretty hilarious rules fuck up if so.

[bigboss88]

This seems like it would be a stupid play from mafia but could The Final Girl (Aragorn?) have chosen to spend the night with Agent, the mafia targeted him and then accidentally killed Agent?

Also we have to remember that mafia can plant ghost face costumes, it could be a fake mafia I think. The Jock role protects other players and suffers any night action they are impacted by so the ghost face costume could have been planted on him and then he protected a player that was targeted and so now shows up as mafia. Or maybe he was just targeted directly after having the costume planted on him.

This must have been what happened, right? Agent as the jock protected whoever the mafia killed and was killed in their place. The mafia was coincidentally trying to frame Agent, presumably not realising they were the jock and therefore the inherent risk in doing that. There's no way the mafia would intentionally choose to kill agent after planting the mask on them. 

Given BB88's request for the deputy to investigate Agent, we have to ask whether the mafia had simply decided planting the mask on someone the deputy had been asked to investigate was a good way of sowing discord, or if this was an intentional plot by BB88 as mafia that backfired. I'd also be interested to hear more about his super secret plan to figure out who the mafia is that he can only reveal today for some reason.

Btw I'm a town role and was visited last night be a certain friendly weed smoker. If that's you, you know I'm telling the truth. (Unless the rules don't actually work like that, but I'd assume that given mafia seemingly managed to both kill someone and plant the costume last night, they can't have been affected.)

I’m pretty much a confirmed town by now. Aragorn can confirm my role. My theory is that a role backfired the mafia kill somehow. Agent was to be lynched today. There are two possibilities here: either he was framed or the kill was backfired by a role’s ability. There’s a possibility that is circulating in my mind is that there two final girls. This would be a hilarious plot twist if it’s the case. 🤣🤣🤣 If this is the case, we have another gun in town’s possession and I advise whoever is the other final girls to not use unless we are about to lynch them by mistake.

I’m pretty sure Aragorn was on me as I instructed him to be on me incase mafia decided to attack him so I would die in his place. So if Aragorn was targeted I’d be dead.

There’s something I want to note but I’ll keep it to myself for now and hope mafia doesn’t realize it (but I think they do by now since Agent is dead).

[Annoying Prick]

Something has occurred to me.

Based on how the archetypes work there was no reason for us to assume that Aragorn was town.

In the same way that Agent could be both The Jock and mafia Aragorn could be both The Final Girl and mafia. I cannot see anything in the archetype description implying he must be town.

I'm not saying I think this is what happened but we have been assuming he is town for no good reason. Instead of just being trigger happy he could have shot Null on that day phase on purpose hoping we would read him as town and do exactly as we are doing now. He could also have been involved in setting Agent up lile this.

[Roy]

Something has occurred to me.

Based on how the archetypes work there was no reason for us to assume that Aragorn was town.

In the same way that Agent could be both The Jock and mafia Aragorn could be both The Final Girl and mafia. I cannot see anything in the archetype description implying he must be town.

I'm not saying I think this is what happened but we have been assuming he is town for no good reason. Instead of just being trigger happy he could have shot Null on that day phase on purpose hoping we would read him as town and do exactly as we are doing now. He could also have been involved in setting Agent up lile this.

Ah sheeet. This puts Aragorn (and now BB88 who always claims he's 'confirmed town' by Aragorn) back on the list

[bigboss88]

Well, I think I finally have what I need to lynch the other mafia. After Annoying Prick latest post, I was now sure that my suspicions were true. Here’s the thing I told Aragorn that I was going to lynch Annoying Prick with my first post on day 3. He posted something that made me doubt myself back then. Now, I’m 100% he wants to lynch Aragorn because he can’t kill the only confirmed town at night. Aragorn would visit us one by one and he can’t be killed at night. So, how can he be killed? The answer is to lynch him at day! That’s why Annoying Prick is so keen on lynching Aragorn since day 3! I’ll quote his posts and you guys can link the dots in my next edits! It took me a while to investigate all his posts.

Here at day 2, he tries to frame either Aragorn or Null. Null in particular because obviously Jass was killed to make Null look suspect. Of course, he expresses at the end of the post that he doesn’t see “the argument in either” to not seem like he’s pointing a finger at Null. I also noticed later that he gives an assumption and then debunks it in the same post which is something I found odd.


And then out of nowhere on page 12 BOOM!:-




Notice that he was liked by two. The first one I assume it’s Null because he continued to accuse Aragorn after this post ehich led to Aragorn shooting him. The other who liked that post is a mystery to me but I assume it was his partner. Probably Agent. 

Later on, I told Aragorn I’m lynching Annoying Prick first thing in the morning, but then I saw the upcoming post which made me to hold my horses and wait for more evidence to present itself.



The only thing I thought of here is that if I was in his place and fucked up real good by starting a lynch train against a confirmed townie, I would say exactly what he said. After that post, he laid low and haven’t accused anyone of anything. Until the lynch of day 3 started and can you guess who he chose to lynch?!

[Annoying Prick]

Well, I think I finally have what I need to lynch the other mafia. After Annoying Prick latest post, I was now sure that my suspicions were true. Here’s the thing I told Aragorn that I was going to lynch Annoying Prick with my first post on day 3. He posted something that made me doubt myself back then. Now, I’m 100% he wants to lynch Aragorn because he can’t kill the only confirmed town at night. Aragorn would visit us one by one and he can’t be killed at night. So, how can he be killed? The answer is to lynch him at day! That’s why Annoying Prick is so keen on lynching Aragorn since day 3! I’ll quote his posts and you guys can link the dots in my next edits! It took me a while to investigate all his posts.

Here at day 2, he tries to frame either Aragorn or Null. Null in particular because obviously Jass was killed to make Null look suspect. Of course, he expresses at the end of the post that he doesn’t see “the argument in either” to not seem like he’s pointing a finger at Null.

Well no, nowhere in that post do I say anything about framing Aragorn or Null. The person I am suspicious of there is you, pretty explicitly lmao. I said that at the end because I was pointing a finger at you, nobody else.

You won't find some kind of consistent streak of me wanting to target Aragorn. I voted for him a couple of times but I made it clear I was willing to vote for anyone in all of these cases and that I was not targeting him specifically. I was also the first person to point out that Aragorn was likely town (although wrongly).

In fact I am not targeting Aragorn now. I am not saying he is mafia. I am just saying that our earlier assumption that he is town was wrong. We didn't understand the rules and we all assumed that The Final Girl had to be town but that is clearly untrue.

Your argument makes no sense also because if I was mafia I wouldn't need to target "the only confirmed town." I would know who all of the members of town are at the start of the game as I would know who the other mafia members are meaning I would have known Aragorn was town from the start, even if I didn't know his exact role. Aragorn being impossible to target during the night phase wouldn't matter because I would only need mafia to out number town. I could just ignore Aragorn and target everyone else.

You are just making yourself seem suspicious since you are still insisting that Aragorn is "confirmed town." Please explain how this is the case and where I was wrong in my earlier post.

[bigboss88]

Why would he be mafia? Doesn't this confirm he is town? I can only see one role that has such a power and they are town.

And if he is town I think that makes it much more likely that Bigbos88 is too since he was so intent on defending Aragorn and wanted to draw attention to the no lynchers instead of even Null, another town.

Well, I think I finally have what I need to lynch the other mafia. After Annoying Prick latest post, I was now sure that my suspicions were true. Here’s the thing I told Aragorn that I was going to lynch Annoying Prick with my first post on day 3. He posted something that made me doubt myself back then. Now, I’m 100% he wants to lynch Aragorn because he can’t kill the only confirmed town at night. Aragorn would visit us one by one and he can’t be killed at night. So, how can he be killed? The answer is to lynch him at day! That’s why Annoying Prick is so keen on lynching Aragorn since day 3! I’ll quote his posts and you guys can link the dots in my next edits! It took me a while to investigate all his posts.

Here at day 2, he tries to frame either Aragorn or Null. Null in particular because obviously Jass was killed to make Null look suspect. Of course, he expresses at the end of the post that he doesn’t see “the argument in either” to not seem like he’s pointing a finger at Null.

Well no, nowhere in that post do I say anything about framing Aragorn or Null. The person I am suspicious of there is you, pretty explicitly lmao. I said that at the end because I was pointing a finger at you, nobody else.

You won't find some kind of consistent streak of me wanting to target Aragorn. I voted for him a couple of times but I made it clear I was willing to vote for anyone in all of these cases and that I was not targeting him specifically.

In fact I am not targeting Aragorn now. I am not saying he is mafia. I am just saying that our earlier assumption that he is town was wrong. We didn't understand the rules and we all assumed that The Final Girl had to be town but that is clearly untrue.

Your argument makes no sense also because if I was mafia I wouldn't need to target "the only confirmed town." I would know who all of the members of town are at the start of the game as I would know who the other mafia members are meaning I would have known Aragorn was town from the start, even if I didn't know his exact role. Aragorn being impossible to target during the night phase wouldn't matter because I would only need mafia to out number town. I could just ignore Aragorn and target everyone else.

You are just making yourself seem suspicious since you are still insisting that Aragorn is "confirmed town." Please explain how this is the case and where I was wrong in my earlier post.

That’s the thing! Why would you debunk that he’s a confirmed town when the rules explicitly say that Ghostface kills whoever he chooses to spend the night?!!
The answer is that you’re trying to take to square 1 where there no innocent or confirmed townies. This won’t work this time. Me insisting that Aragorn IS a confirmed town while he can confirm that I was about to lynch you first thing on day 3 make me the only confirmed townie beside him.

I’ve said enough and presented all of your posts that shows you trying to get the only confirmed town and are still trying to question his confirmed state.

Lynch Annoying Prick