Swallowing/Regurgitating Cigarettes - Is This Possible?

[drcroc]

I always imagined it as a soft pack of cigs as opposed to a box, which can deform into a more round shape more easily than a box can. I figured it was also sealed with cellophane, which in the field can be opened and resealed with just a lighter if done carefully. Maybe wasn't a full pack though either because I just can't imagine a full pack of smokes even in a pack as opposed to a box fitting down even Solid Snake's throat. My theory is when they explained the nanomachines to him he figured out a way he could at least bring some smokes with him based on the side effects they described by not eating anything for a day or two, then suppressing his gag reflex long enough to make a slightly rounded and half full pack of cigs down into his esophagus, then slowly worked them down into his stomach by swallowing. Once arriving at shadow moses island, he would likely have swallowed some sea water and then forced himself to throw up, then he retrieves his smokes which are still sealed and thus safe from any damage.

[Kestrel]

I always imagined it as a soft pack of cigs as opposed to a box, which can deform into a more round shape more easily than a box can.  I figured it was also sealed with cellophane, which in the field can be opened and resealed with just a lighter if done carefully.  Maybe wasn't a full pack though either because I just can't imagine a full pack of smokes even in a pack as opposed to a box fitting down even Solid Snake's throat.  My theory is when they explained the nanomachines to him he figured out a way he could at least bring some smokes with him based on the side effects they described by not eating anything for a day or two, then suppressing his gag reflex long enough to make a slightly rounded and half full pack of cigs down into his esophagus, then slowly worked them down into his stomach by swallowing.  Once arriving at shadow moses island, he would likely have swallowed some sea water and then forced himself to throw up, then he retrieves his smokes which are still sealed and thus safe from any damage.

I will give this a try the next time I have access to sea water and report my results immediately.

[Solid Spartan]

The whole series has a lot of things that are quite a bit out there, which is why I don't get the hate for Twin Snakes' cutscenes. Predator stealth camo, a cyborg ninja, a guy with telekinesis so powerful that he can literally levitate, a Hind gunship shooting down F-16s, a witch who deflects bullets, a guy who can make Tommy guns out of bees, bipedal nuclear-armed tanks, and the above swallowing and regurgitation of a pack of cigarettes are all okay, but tossing a grenade through an Abrams' main gun, PSG-1 ballet, and using a Hellfire missile as a stepping stone isn't?

[black king]

Speaking of cigarettes, what lighter did Snake use? It had to survive his underwater swim, but could have been in a sealed pouch on his suit. 

Or did he eat the lighter too?

[starschwar]

I can suspend my disbelief for the cigarettes, a means of lighting them, etc.

But much like Terminator's naked time travel, Foxhound's "procure on site" is just a silly contrivance for gameplay purposes that never really made sense to me. It'd be incredibly easy for such an organization to supply their agents with the most commonly used weaponry in whatever area they're meant to operate in to provide plausible deniability.

[starschwar]

The whole series has a lot of things that are quite a bit out there, which is why I don't get the hate for Twin Snakes' cutscenes. Predator stealth camo, a cyborg ninja, a guy with telekinesis so powerful that he can literally levitate, a Hind gunship shooting down F-16s, a witch who deflects bullets, a guy who can make Tommy guns out of bees, bipedal nuclear-armed tanks, and the above swallowing and regurgitation of a pack of cigarettes are all okay, but tossing a grenade through an Abrams' main gun, PSG-1 ballet, and using a Hellfire missile as a stepping stone isn't?

I really don't want to delve back into the 20+ year old rabbit hole of Twin Snakes arguments - they have not changed in that time.  I think both versions have merit, but the execution of a lot of stuff in TTS just felt off to me.  It's a good game, and if for some reason someone never had access to the PS1 original in any capacity, it is a valid way to experience Metal Gear Solid.  

I liken it to the Star Wars special editions.  There are changes that I legitimately think are for the better.  But for every good one, there's two bad ones, and another change that's different for the sake of being different.

[Dirty Duck]

I can suspend my disbelief for the cigarettes, a means of lighting them, etc.

But much like Terminator's naked time travel, Foxhound's "procure on site" is just a silly contrivance for gameplay purposes that never really made sense to me. It'd be incredibly easy for such an organization to supply their agents with the most commonly used weaponry in whatever area they're meant to operate in to provide plausible deniability.

Then in MGS3 they say American involvement cannot be discovered and send Snake in kitted out in a bunch of stuff that says US ARMY that he then just throws on the floor.

It’s a great setup for a design decision though!

[starschwar]

I can suspend my disbelief for the cigarettes, a means of lighting them, etc. 

But much like Terminator's naked time travel, Foxhound's "procure on site" is just a silly contrivance for gameplay purposes that never really made sense to me.  It'd be incredibly easy for such an organization to supply their agents with the most commonly used weaponry in whatever area they're meant to operate in to provide plausible deniability.

Then in MGS3 they say American involvement cannot be discovered and send Snake in kitted out in a bunch of stuff that says US ARMY that he then just throws on the floor.

It’s a great setup for a design decision though!

To say nothing of the FOX emblem on the parachutes!  While I'm not really a fan of Skull Face (and like much of MGSV, question his existence), such brazen things do make the notion of a clean-up crew working in the shadows easier to accept.

[Dirty Duck]

I can suspend my disbelief for the cigarettes, a means of lighting them, etc. 

But much like Terminator's naked time travel, Foxhound's "procure on site" is just a silly contrivance for gameplay purposes that never really made sense to me.  It'd be incredibly easy for such an organization to supply their agents with the most commonly used weaponry in whatever area they're meant to operate in to provide plausible deniability.

Then in MGS3 they say American involvement cannot be discovered and send Snake in kitted out in a bunch of stuff that says US ARMY that he then just throws on the floor.

It’s a great setup for a design decision though!

To say nothing of the FOX emblem on the parachutes!  While I'm not really a fan of Skull Face (and like much of MGSV, question his existence), such brazen things do make the notion of a clean-up crew working in the shadows easier to accept.

XOF as a clean-up crew is a great “oh yeah I guess that makes sense” kind of retcon. And I feel Skullface is the perfect villain for a game like MGSV, that is full of those sort of “I guess” retcons. It’s a phantom entry that exists purely to “let the legend come back to life.” It’s pitched as a new never before mentioned chapter of Big Boss’ legend that none of us ever wondered about and had many scratching their heads before it even dropped. Much like how Venom was cooked up just so that the world wasn’t left without Big Boss for a few years, MGSV was cooked up just so the world wasn’t left without a Metal Gear game for a few years. For a game like that with a protagonist like Venom I can’t think of a better villain than “yeah this guy followed you for the entirety of MGS3 and you never saw him.”

Also to stay on topic: Skullface is lucky he never had to follow Solid Snake and clean up his stomach acid soaked cigarettes.