22-02-2026, 06:14 PM
I am fully convinced that this was only said to sell the game. This is the only time anyone gave a definitive statement. After that it's been very soft, bare minimum and contradictory acknowledgement. This includes a pre release interview with the writer where Kojima straight up says he didn't like the character of Null. And much like this statement he said he'd change MGS4 to suit. This didn't happen in any sense. Nothing about Gray Fox in MGS4 reflected the events of PO. Later, for PW pre release, Kojima talks about how PW came about, in that he started thinking about it during the development of PO (and MGS4), which looks like the truth. That he saw it. Didn't like it and wanted to make his own.
There has been a lot of pro PO propaganda in the last few years since the Master Collection came out. And all I'm hearing is stuff I once said being echoed back at me. I've even had a twitter account seemingly dedicated to fabricating information and trolling me LOL Ironically, this person gave me that interview with Kojima, but tried to censor out certain words...yet posted the actual uncensored interview, obviously believing I wouldn't actually check his dodgy translation.
The more I've looked into it over the years, the more I see nothing of any substance connecting PO from the rest of the series. The one and only thing that matches is that Zero is the leader of the Patriots, but everything surrounding it is completely different. There's even basic facts that don't match. Ocelot calling the CIA half of the legacy "the other half", when it's the only half we've ever seen. Volgin firing the nuke during Operation Snake Eater...he didn't. Volgin firing the nuke in MGS3 was "something no one could have predicted", until PO says Volgin was manipulated into firing it...by Ocelot, because they literally show a picture of Ocelot, yet he is pleading Volgin to not fire the nuke after Volgin had decided to fire the nuke...is Ocelot Mantis now? Controlling people at will without doing anything. Null is Gray Fox and child soldier from Africa, rescued by Big Boss in 1966, yet before PO he was a child soldier in Africa in 1979, rescued by Big Boss from Vietnam (a place PO never mentions, even when artwork for PO does). This is most probably what Kojima is referring to with his dislike for Null. When I write these lists (and this is be no means a full list) all I get back is "but this series is full a retcons", which (even if that were true) doesn't explain how so much can be disconnected from the rest of the series. There isn't a game in this series that has had the antagonist completely forgotten about. You can't get rid of Liquid even in death. Even in MGS4 when it's not him, he is still mentioned heavily. Solidus is a major part of MGS4. The Boss, Volgin and all of the support team for Big Boss are heavily involved in the rest of the series after MGS3. Even Hot Coldman is mention in MGSV. But Gene, a character that should have great importance to Big Boss' own ideology, is nowhere to be seen. Not even a influence. Not a sniff. None of Gene's money or equipment. Outer Heaven came from Gene...except even that doesn't fit with the rest of the series, because Outer Heaven came from Big Boss' interpretation of The Boss' will. That's why Gene's influence isn't there...because the rest of the series says it came from a entirely different place.
And do you know what happens when I write these lists? Someone will pick one and think they can try and explain it, but that's not good enough. It has to be taken as a whole. And the whole is damning. Whoever wrote the Master Books clearly knows this. You also get "Well, PO is referenced in MGS4 and PW", so is Snake's Revenge, Snatcher, Policenauts and Ghost Babel, but no one is saying they are canon, and even they don't get the dismissive treatment that PW gives PO. Even they aren't called "crap" or want to "cut ties" with them.
There has been a lot of pro PO propaganda in the last few years since the Master Collection came out. And all I'm hearing is stuff I once said being echoed back at me. I've even had a twitter account seemingly dedicated to fabricating information and trolling me LOL Ironically, this person gave me that interview with Kojima, but tried to censor out certain words...yet posted the actual uncensored interview, obviously believing I wouldn't actually check his dodgy translation.
The more I've looked into it over the years, the more I see nothing of any substance connecting PO from the rest of the series. The one and only thing that matches is that Zero is the leader of the Patriots, but everything surrounding it is completely different. There's even basic facts that don't match. Ocelot calling the CIA half of the legacy "the other half", when it's the only half we've ever seen. Volgin firing the nuke during Operation Snake Eater...he didn't. Volgin firing the nuke in MGS3 was "something no one could have predicted", until PO says Volgin was manipulated into firing it...by Ocelot, because they literally show a picture of Ocelot, yet he is pleading Volgin to not fire the nuke after Volgin had decided to fire the nuke...is Ocelot Mantis now? Controlling people at will without doing anything. Null is Gray Fox and child soldier from Africa, rescued by Big Boss in 1966, yet before PO he was a child soldier in Africa in 1979, rescued by Big Boss from Vietnam (a place PO never mentions, even when artwork for PO does). This is most probably what Kojima is referring to with his dislike for Null. When I write these lists (and this is be no means a full list) all I get back is "but this series is full a retcons", which (even if that were true) doesn't explain how so much can be disconnected from the rest of the series. There isn't a game in this series that has had the antagonist completely forgotten about. You can't get rid of Liquid even in death. Even in MGS4 when it's not him, he is still mentioned heavily. Solidus is a major part of MGS4. The Boss, Volgin and all of the support team for Big Boss are heavily involved in the rest of the series after MGS3. Even Hot Coldman is mention in MGSV. But Gene, a character that should have great importance to Big Boss' own ideology, is nowhere to be seen. Not even a influence. Not a sniff. None of Gene's money or equipment. Outer Heaven came from Gene...except even that doesn't fit with the rest of the series, because Outer Heaven came from Big Boss' interpretation of The Boss' will. That's why Gene's influence isn't there...because the rest of the series says it came from a entirely different place.
And do you know what happens when I write these lists? Someone will pick one and think they can try and explain it, but that's not good enough. It has to be taken as a whole. And the whole is damning. Whoever wrote the Master Books clearly knows this. You also get "Well, PO is referenced in MGS4 and PW", so is Snake's Revenge, Snatcher, Policenauts and Ghost Babel, but no one is saying they are canon, and even they don't get the dismissive treatment that PW gives PO. Even they aren't called "crap" or want to "cut ties" with them.
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