Metal Gear Misconceptions?

[vjolt95]

Is there anything widely understood to be true about Metal Gear that's actually untrue, that you think about some times?
The one I always think of is the Liquid Ocelot plot. Most people seem to think it's a retcon for MGS4 to have him hypnotized rather than possessed, but it doesn't add up. 
-Ocelot was revealed to be the son of a spirit medium in the previous game
-While MGS4 is riddled with clumsy attempts to demystify the series, there is some degree of logic to it - everything with nonomachines was established in 2 and taken to its extreme conclusion
-We see the arm in both MGS2 and MGS4, and it's totally different. It seems to be made of metal in 4, and is clearly a discolored flesh in 2 (I always saw this as a clumsy attempt to make it look a little rotten)
It seems to me that Ocelot found some use from Liquid's interruptions in 2 and decided to conceive a controlled version of that, replacing the arm with a prosthetic. 
What are some other Metal Gear misconceptions?

[Dirty Duck]

I'm not sure about widely believed but MGS facebook groups (which are full of a lot of drivel) have exposed me to people who seem to think that Colonel Campbell actually supported Raiden for most of the Big Shell Incident and was replaced towards the end the same way Rose was (according to MGS4).

The AI Campbell was the one in contact with Raiden for the entirety of the mission and was fabricated out of Raiden's knowledge of the real man and his expectations using the GW Patriot AI. The real Campbell wasn't seen in MGS2.

[Dirty Duck]

Here's one I've remembered that I've seen frequently said:

Solid Snake is a natural blonde and dyes his hair to differentiate him from Liquid. He's not. He's a brunette, as can be seen in MG1 and MG2, prior to him ever needing to differentiate from Liquid. He looks blonde in the briefing because of the lighting.

[Agent]

A notable Metal Gear misconception is that Quiet from MGSV:TPP was a new character, when this was in fact Ricardo "Chico" Libre from Peace Walker and GZ. It isn't made explicit in the game but this aligns with TPP's ambiguous style of storytelling. We didn't know for certain if Huey was guilty either, but one decides based on the available evidence. There is overwhelming evidence for Quiet's identity but sadly this remains unrecognised by the wiki as well as most of the community. I think about this every day and I will one day be vindicated.

[VerySolid]

Patriots reveal in 4 was retcon while in reality this was poorly written and executed plot twist. I love how many people ignore Portable Ops which planted seeds for this reveal and thematic reason behind it aka today allies will become tomorrow enemies.

[starschwar]

The Coma problem:

English language versions of Metal Gear Solid 1 (and I think, all languages other than Japanese?) contain dialogue by Liquid where he claims that Big Boss was cloned while he was comatose following combat injuries. This led to much confusion when MGSV's coma plot was revealed - since it happened a few years after the cloning had already happened. As it turns out, in the original Japanese version, Liquid says nothing at all about a coma, merely that Big Boss was sterile and could not have children naturally.

While this line was apparently the invention of a very - inventive - localization process, this does raise further questions. The Twin Snakes was given a fresh translation. Indeed, there is no Japanese VO for that version at all, it's in English even in Japan (much like the Integral version of MGS1). While the script is allegedly much closer to the original (some nice additions like Wolf's "love letter" line are gone), somehow the coma line is still in there. Did Kojima mandate that the change be retained? Or did the Twin Snakes team get lazy and copy from the original version? I don't know if the Japanese subtitles for Integral or Twin Snakes reflect the coma line or not.

When Skull Face muses about English being akin to a parasitic infection - in the same game that features Big Boss in a coma - I can't help but wonder if there's some meta symbolism going on. The idea that the English translation was so prevalent (and indeed, I think most non-Japanese versions use the English script as their basis?) - that the very lore was altered by the translation process is kind of interesting. Maybe? Possibly?

All I'm saying is - if Delta went to the trouble of correcting Volgin's "Australia" to "Austria," if any future MGS1 releases retain the coma line, it's retroactively canon. Otherwise, it's an error perpetuated by almost all official releases of the game itself.

[NateDog]

The Coma problem:

English language versions of Metal Gear Solid 1 (and I think, all languages other than Japanese?) contain dialogue by Liquid where he claims that Big Boss was cloned while he was comatose following combat injuries.  This led to much confusion when MGSV's coma plot was revealed - since it happened a few years after the cloning had already happened.  As it turns out, in the original Japanese version, Liquid says nothing at all about a coma, merely that Big Boss was sterile and could not have children naturally.

While this line was apparently the invention of a very - inventive - localization process, this does raise further questions.  The Twin Snakes was given a fresh translation.  Indeed, there is no Japanese VO for that version at all, it's in English even in Japan (much like the Integral version of MGS1).  While the script is allegedly much closer to the original (some nice additions like Wolf's "love letter" line are gone), somehow the coma line is still in there.  Did Kojima mandate that the change be retained?  Or did the Twin Snakes team get lazy and copy from the original version?  I don't know if the Japanese subtitles for Integral or Twin Snakes reflect the coma line or not.

When Skull Face muses about English being akin to a parasitic infection - in the same game that features Big Boss in a coma - I can't help but wonder if there's some meta symbolism going on.  The idea that the English translation was so prevalent (and indeed, I think most non-Japanese versions use the English script as their basis?) - that the very lore was altered by the translation process is kind of interesting.  Maybe? Possibly?

All I'm saying is - if Delta went to the trouble of correcting Volgin's "Australia" to "Austria,"  if any future MGS1 releases retain the coma line, it's retroactively canon.  Otherwise, it's an error perpetuated by almost all official releases of the game itself.

This is a good one. I remember reading a deep dive into the MGS1 translation story (not sure if it was Eurogamer, feels like the type of article they might have done around the time) and the liberties that the person behind it took and how much of an issue Kojima had with it, resulting in him personally overseeing it in all future works if I'm remembering it correctly? 

It's a difficult one as clearly extra things were thrown in there than should have been, but at the same time translating is a difficult process. MGS1's dialogue feels very different to every other game in the series, to me it feels more natural in the spoken word compared to all future entries and that's a huge part of translating, making something sound as if it had been written for the language it's being translated into. But adding in their own bits and pieces to the dialogue and altering others in ways that deviate from the source material isn't something that should have happened and is clearly what Kojima had such a big issue with. I can understand it of course, but his desire to stick so closely to the Japanese text after that point soes result in some very clunky wording in places.

[ballisticola]

A notable Metal Gear misconception is that Quiet from MGSV:TPP was a new character, when this was in fact Ricardo "Chico" Libre from Peace Walker and GZ. It isn't made explicit in the game but this aligns with TPP's ambiguous style of storytelling. We didn't know for certain if Huey was guilty either, but one decides based on the available evidence. There is overwhelming evidence for Quiet's identity but sadly this remains unrecognised by the wiki as well as most of the community. I think about this every day and I will one day be vindicated.

You are joking, right?

Anyway, there are loads.

• Kojima hating the series and never wanting to make it.
  
• Kojima saying he only made MGS4 because of death threats, even though the only time he talked about the death threats he talked about how is was involved, and the only thing he wasn't doing was directing.
  
• Miller physically trained Solid Snake, even though Campbell literally introduced Snake to Miller in MG2.
  
• Miller was working for Skull Face in GZ, because the actor Crispin Freeman voiced a soldier (during the attack on Paz) the sounds like Robin Atkin Downes.
  
• That Meryl died in MGS1 and MGS4 retconned her back into the series, despite the fact "In The Darkness of Shadow Moses" clearly states all three got off the island safely.
  
• That the Patriots would have never let Big Boss back into the US, which misses the point of PW entirely, with Zero orchestrating the whole event to bring Big Boss back to the US.
  
• That leads onto people thinking Zero and Big Boss were literally at war with each other, when it was actually a cold war, and the worst it ever got was Paz losing her shit in PW...which Zero warned her of.
  
• FOXDIE being responsible for Snake's aging.
  
• Nanomachines explain the mysteries of the series...when at most it explains two things, and those two things are seriously debatable or even provably untrue.
  
• Speaking of which, Vamp had healing powers. Naomi literally says it. The nanos only enhanced them.
  

I could go all day long LOL

[starschwar]

[*]Miller was working for Skull Face in GZ, because the actor Crispin Freeman voiced a soldier (during the attack on Paz) the sounds like Robin Atkin Downes.

[*]
I think this one is still not resolved.  I could be dead wrong about this, but wasn't it confirmed that Miller's Japanese voice actor also has the same "solider" lines as well?  That's more than a coincidence, I think.

Part of MGSV's themes include aspects of paranoia and the malleable nature of memory.  I'm not saying it proves Miller was doing something with Skull Face.  But I've seen some very eloquent deep dives that suggest that Ground Zeroes is not an accurate representation of the literal"truth" of what happened nine years ago, but rather Miller's version of events with some of Venom's genuine memories seeping in along the way.

[ballisticola]

[*]Miller was working for Skull Face in GZ, because the actor Crispin Freeman voiced a soldier (during the attack on Paz) the sounds like Robin Atkin Downes.

[*]I think this one is still not resolved.  I could be dead wrong about this, but wasn't it confirmed that Miller's Japanese voice actor also has the same "solider" lines as well?  That's more than a coincidence, I think.

Part of MGSV's themes include aspects of paranoia and the malleable nature of memory.  I'm not saying it proves Miller was doing something with Skull Face.  But I've seen some very eloquent deep dives that suggest that Ground Zeroes is not an accurate representation of the literal"truth" of what happened nine years ago, but rather Miller's version of events with some of Venom's genuine memories seeping in along the way.

[*]
No. That was a PythonSelkan creation to claim GZ was all in the mind of Venom. Just to explain why David Hayter wasn't voicing Big Boss in GZ.

Then in 2018, someone tweeted this tweet... https://x.com/ETaaban/status/1021071316445691906

"Got full confirmation that @Robin_A_Downes & Tomokazu Sugita, both voices of Kazuhira Miller, voiced the man in the SkullFace-Paz recording at the end of GZ who says "Give her the shot already!" This is probably the biggest news I've had in a long time"

Even though neither are credited as soldiers or extras. And 3 of the 5 replies to the tweet ask for a source, with absolutely no response.

However, Crispin Freeman is credited and sounds just like the soldier. It's conspiracy for the sake of conspiracy.

[*]There's also some reused assets in the Skull Face mission that have the DD logo, so "it must be that Miller is working for Skull Face". Which of course makes no sense whatsoever.