MGF Mafia 3: The Woodsboro Murders

[Annoying Prick]

Honestly I think we're both town and just arguing with each other for no good reason. It doesn't help that we're the two most active players so it's much easier to theorise about the things we have said than people who have barely posted.

[weavo]

Outing yourself as sheriff/deputy is putting a target on your back for potentially little gain, given the role is made less useful by the mask hiding mechanic.

Anyway, as the deputy I can confirm that Agent did not have the mask on night 2. Last night I got stoned and couldn't do anything, but obviously I wasn't going to look at Agent as per BB88's request given I'd already checked the night before. I intended to look at a random low-volume player on the off chance I got lucky, but that's not relevant. Whoever the stoner is can confirm I'm telling the truth.

This is why I'm so hung up on BB88's 'certainty' that if BK wasn't mafia, Agent would be. If BB88 is mafia, he'd have known that BK wouldn't be mafia and that Agent WOULD have the mask last night, given they presumably planted it (or colluded with the other killer to do so). BB88 was also a huge part of the mob against BK while trying to pin responsibility for that on Agent, to the point that BK switched his vote FROM Agent TO BB88 while being targetted, just as BB88 was trying to push responsibility onto Agent in the hope he'd be lynched next once BK he was confirmed town.

As far as I am concerned, Agent is confirmed town and BK probably was too. As a result, I can't think of any plausible scenario for Agent's death that ISN'T the mafia accidentally killing him as a result of his Jock power after trying to frame him (lol). It doesn't make sense for mafia to kill one of their own. It doesn't make sense for them to try to kill the final girl. It doesn't make sense for them to intentionally kill the person they're trying to frame at night, when obviously it's better to do it during the day as mafia almost certainly wouldn't kill one of their own for no reason.

So who was trying to frame Agent? Well, you'd have to assume it's the person who said "If bk is town, Agent is 100% mafia. As simple as that."

Namely, BB88.

I'm also fairly suspicious of his claims that he is 'confirmed town' for reasons I don't follow, or his 'mountains of evidence' that Annoying Prick is mafia, which seems fairly confused/insubstantial (though maybe their dialogue is two mafia trying to muddy the waters, who knows). It's not impossible this is a coincidence or a misunderstanding on my part, so BB88 you have the floor if you want to help me understand. But until then...

LYNCH BIGBOSS88

[Roger]

I think thats another issue. The lack of activity between people. It seems the most active died off early. As if the Mafia knew that would benefit them the most. I think a random Lynch has to happen. Otherwise, we are going to very slowly lose.

[Annoying Prick]

Outing yourself as sheriff/deputy is putting a target on your back for potentially little gain, given the role is made less useful by the mask hiding mechanic.

Anyway, as the deputy I can confirm that Agent did not have the mask on night 2. Last night I got stoned and couldn't do anything, but obviously I wasn't going to look at Agent as per BB88's request given I'd already checked the night before. I intended to look at a random low-volume player on the off chance I got lucky, but that's not relevant. Whoever the stoner is can confirm I'm telling the truth.

This is why I'm so hung up on BB88's 'certainty' that if BK wasn't mafia, Agent would be. If BB88 is mafia, he'd have known that BK wouldn't be mafia and that Agent WOULD have the mask last night, given they presumably planted it (or colluded with the other killer to do so). BB88 was also a huge part of the mob against BK while trying to pin responsibility for that on Agent, to the point that BK switched his vote FROM Agent TO BB88 while being targetted, just as BB88 was trying to push responsibility onto Agent in the hope he'd be lynched next once BK he was confirmed town.

As far as I am concerned, Agent is confirmed town and BK probably was too. As a result, I can't think of any plausible scenario for Agent's death that ISN'T the mafia accidentally killing him as a result of his Jock power after trying to frame him (lol). It doesn't make sense for mafia to kill one of their own. It doesn't make sense for them to try to kill the final girl. It doesn't make sense for them to intentionally kill the person they're trying to frame at night, when obviously it's better to do it during the day as mafia almost certainly wouldn't kill one of their own for no reason.

So who was trying to frame Agent? Well, you'd have to assume it's the person who said "If bk is town, Agent is 100% mafia. As simple as that."

Namely, BB88.

I'm also fairly suspicious of his claims that he is 'confirmed town' for reasons I don't follow, or his 'mountains of evidence' that Annoying Prick is mafia, which seems fairly confused/insubstantial (though maybe their dialogue is two mafia trying to muddy the waters, who knows). It's not impossible this is a coincidence or a misunderstanding on my part, so BB88 you have the floor if you want to help me understand. But until then...

LYNCH BIGBOSS88

I'm going to role reveal too then in solidarity. I am the stoner. You are right that I shared a joint with you last night. We don't know how many mafia roles there are so I was hesitant to say anything but I agree that the things that happened in the night phase suggest that you are not The Killer or an accomplice.

On night one I visited Agent and on night two I visited Black King. I couldn't see any impact so I didn't say anything.

I agree with your analysis of BB88 and I have found a lot of his reasoning suspect. He's also become really hostile to me and is trying to accuse me of wanting to start a lynch train on Aragorn merely for pointing out that, as far as we know, The Final Girl could be mafia, which seems like a totally reasonable observation. I am wary that he could just be throwing out accusations against me because me and him are the most active though - I think there's a kind of bias towards the more active people since they have posts you can actually analyse while other people don't.

I will follow your lead though.

LYNCH BIGBOSS88

[Roger]

We have four players who have not commented. But it seems like BB88 is in the hot chair. WILL there be a hero for BB88? I suppose the remaining players could change everything. Or nothing changes and BB88 gets hung. Unless he is able to prove who he himself is.

[Aragorn]

I’m catching up with the chat, all I can say is BB88 is 100% town and Annoying Prick is incredibly suspect. I am inclined to subscribe to BB88s theory on Prick’s tactic, but I will make my final judgement on this after reading everything

[weavo]

I’m catching up with the chat, all I can say is BB88 is 100% town

Why though?

I'm open to changing my vote if there's a good argument for why BB88 has to be town, but so far I haven't heard it.

[Aragorn]

There is a unique interaction at night that ascertained it to me. His leap on Bk/Agent isn’t that impossible either, because Agent was genuinely moving rather suspect and not on his usual tempo for these games.

I suppose he could still be an accomplice since any role can have the mask, but his behavior would be a strange play in that case. Could have just piled on me for Day 2.

[Annoying Prick]

I have role claimed the Stoner. We know that there is a Stoner role in play because weavo was visited by the Stoner. Unless somebody else claims the role I am clearly the Stoner. This means that if Agent was really mafia as BB88's argument relies on and I am mafia then there must be at least three mafia.

So what I ask is if I am mafia then who is The Killer? Who is the main mafia player that I should be aligned with? I feel like BB88's argument relied on me being The Killer and Agent being an accomplice but I've proven this can't be the case by claiming the Stoner.

[weavo]

There is a unique interaction at night that ascertained it to me. His leap on Bk/Agent isn’t that impossible either, because Agent was genuinely moving rather suspect and not on his usual tempo for these games.

I suppose he could still be an accomplice since any role can have the mask, but his behavior would be a strange play in that case. Could have just piled on me for Day 2.

What interaction? Your role is already confirmed so I don't get what you gain by being coy about it. Most of the remaining roles are fairly useless, so there isn't much reason for BB88 to be hiding his either, when others (i.e. me) have made themselves more obvious targets. BB88 was the first person to suggest lynching you on the first day so it seems relatively unlikely the two of you are in it together, but if it's something like him using the gossip role to contact you then he could have done that as the accomplice while one of the less active users is the actual killer.