MGF Mafia 3: The Woodsboro Murders

[weavo]

Can we get a rules clarification on whether the night action referred to in the Jock archetype includes mafia kills? Or is it just stuff like the investigation powers?

[Dirty Duck]

Can we get a rules clarification on whether the night action referred to in the Jock archetype includes mafia kills? Or is it just stuff like the investigation powers?

The mafia night kill would count as a night action.

[Roger]

I think the major issue we have here is that, the town are either using their powers or not and no information is being gathered. We are basing any form of view on communications. And at the moment, the communication is that there is a potential role with the ability to Frame. OR there is a role that has the ability to affect Mafia. Maybe its because its themed but I am a bit confused. Where was it that Aragorn is a confirmed FINAL GIRL? I think the roles and ruling on things are causing some form of misunderstanding here.


The sherrif died, and the deputy became the sheriff. And yet here we are with no more information. I think we are literally walking in darkness unless someone can chime in on who visited who at night.

[bigboss88]

I think the major issue we have here is that, the town are either using their powers or not and no information is being gathered. We are basing any form of view on communications. And at the moment, the communication is that there is a potential role with the ability to Frame. OR there is a role that has the ability to affect Mafia.  Maybe its because its themed but I am a bit confused. Where was it that Aragorn is a confirmed FINAL GIRL? I think the roles and ruling on things are causing some form of misunderstanding here.


The sherrif died, and the deputy became the sheriff. And yet here we are with no more information. I think we are literally walking in darkness unless someone can chime in on who visited who at night.

Aragorn was confirmed to be The Final Girl the moment he shot Null. The thing that makes me not cross the possibility of Agent being mafia was the there are 12 roles and 13 players which means there’s 100% a role is doubled. This is not the issue that made me vote to lynch Annoying Prick. The thing is he insists that Aragorn (the final girl) could be a mafia cooperating with me. He also justifies that him saying Aragorn was a confirmed town is because he might have been wrong. He cane up with this excuse after being cornered by the mountain of evidence I amassed.

[Roger]

Hm. I think the sheriff needs to step up and start some street watching. We are going nowhere pretty quickly. I mean, at the current moment. What do the Mafia need to win? How many people need to die before we lose? We have some folks not chatting possibly due to unavailability. And our strongest roles were knocked out night 1.

[Annoying Prick]

I think the major issue we have here is that, the town are either using their powers or not and no information is being gathered. We are basing any form of view on communications. And at the moment, the communication is that there is a potential role with the ability to Frame. OR there is a role that has the ability to affect Mafia.  Maybe its because its themed but I am a bit confused. Where was it that Aragorn is a confirmed FINAL GIRL? I think the roles and ruling on things are causing some form of misunderstanding here.


The sherrif died, and the deputy became the sheriff. And yet here we are with no more information. I think we are literally walking in darkness unless someone can chime in on who visited who at night.

BB88 explained why we think Aragorn is The Final Girl. I am going to clarify the questions about the ability to frame and the ability to affect mafia.

We know there is an ability to frame - it is spelled out clearly in the abilities of The Killer:

"The Killer
The new Ghostface Killer. Has a halloween costume and a knife.
-The Killer and any accomplice they may have can perform a single night kill at the end of the night phase, it does not have to be The Killer themselves who perform the kill.
-The Killer and any accomplice in possession of the costume can visit any other player at the start of the night phase to plant the costume on them, unbeknownst to said player unless they are an accomplice.
-Any player performing a night kill with the costume in their possession will be disguised.
-Any player performing the night kill without the costume in their possession will show as themselves if seen by another player, including players they fail to kill.
-If a player dies while having the halloween costume in their possession, they will be assumed to be a killer.
-The Killer or an accomplice can retrieve the costume from a dead player at the start of a night phase."

This is important because it relates to another aspect of the gimmick with Duck's mafia rules that I think people are missing. We don't know which roles are mafia or town besides The Killer. The Killer has accomplices that could be any one of the normal roles. That list of roles is not a list of town vs mafia roles - it is a list of all roles and we have to work out which ones are town and which ones are mafia.

The Killer and his unknown accomplice roles can place a costume on someone at the start of the night phase and if they die or are checked by the Sheriff then they will show up as being an accomplice even if they aren't. This might have happened to Agent. He died during a night phase but he showed up as mafia. He was The Jock and the power of The Jock is that he chooses to stay with a different individual each night and if they are impacted by a night action, including being killed by mafia, then he suffers that effect:

"The Jock
Captain of the football team.
Can protect another player at night, but if that player is targeted The Jock will be affected by the night action instead. If they protect The Virgin, she will lose her invulnerability and can be killed by the Ghostface Killer."

So hopefully you can see the problem here and why we don't know what exactly happened to Agent. The first question is whether Agent was actually mafia or whether the ghost costume was placed on him, as per the abilities of The Killer and their accomplices. The second question is how exactly he died. If you look at his power it is very possible mafia intended to target someone else and accidentally killed him. That seems likely if he was framed.

And to answer your question in your second post we don't know how many people mafia need to kill because we don't know how many mafia roles there are.

[bigboss88]

I think the major issue we have here is that, the town are either using their powers or not and no information is being gathered. We are basing any form of view on communications. And at the moment, the communication is that there is a potential role with the ability to Frame. OR there is a role that has the ability to affect Mafia.  Maybe its because its themed but I am a bit confused. Where was it that Aragorn is a confirmed FINAL GIRL? I think the roles and ruling on things are causing some form of misunderstanding here.


The sherrif died, and the deputy became the sheriff. And yet here we are with no more information. I think we are literally walking in darkness unless someone can chime in on who visited who at night.

BB88 explained why we think Aragorn is The Final Girl. I am going to clarify the questions about the ability to frame and the ability to affect mafia.

We know there is an ability to frame - it is spelled out clearly in the abilities of The Killer:

"The Killer
The new Ghostface Killer. Has a halloween costume and a knife.
-The Killer and any accomplice they may have can perform a single night kill at the end of the night phase, it does not have to be The Killer themselves who perform the kill.
-The Killer and any accomplice in possession of the costume can visit any other player at the start of the night phase to plant the costume on them, unbeknownst to said player unless they are an accomplice.
-Any player performing a night kill with the costume in their possession will be disguised.
-Any player performing the night kill without the costume in their possession will show as themselves if seen by another player, including players they fail to kill.
-If a player dies while having the halloween costume in their possession, they will be assumed to be a killer.
-The Killer or an accomplice can retrieve the costume from a dead player at the start of a night phase."

This is important because it relates to another aspect of the gimmick with Duck's mafia rules that I think people are missing. We don't know which roles are mafia or town besides The Killer. The Killer has accomplices that could be any one of the normal roles. That list of roles is not a list of town vs mafia roles - it is a list of all roles and we have to work out which ones are town and which ones are mafia.

The Killer and his unknown accomplice roles can place a costume on someone at the start of the night phase and if they die or are checked by the Sheriff then they will show up as being an accomplice even if they aren't. This might have happened to Agent. He died during a night phase but he showed up as mafia. He was The Jock and the power of The Jock is that he chooses to stay with a different individual each night and if they are impacted by a night action, including being killed by mafia, then he suffers that effect:

"The Jock
Captain of the football team.
Can protect another player at night, but if that player is targeted The Jock will be affected by the night action instead. If they protect The Virgin, she will lose her invulnerability and can be killed by the Ghostface Killer."

So hopefully you can see the problem here and why we don't know what exactly happened to Agent. The first question is whether Agent was actually mafia or whether the ghost costume was placed on him, as per the abilities of The Killer and their accomplices. The second question is how exactly he died. If you look at his power it is very possible mafia intended to target someone else and accidentally killed him. That seems likely if he was framed.

And to answer your question in your second post we don't know how many people mafia need to kill because we don't know how many mafia roles there are.

Now you’re talking some sense except for one flaw. The Final Girl(s) is/are confirmed town because they are targeted by the killer.

The most thing I fear right now is that there’s another final girl role and there’s another gun waved around. So, if there’s another final girl role here, please don’t use the gun… yet.

[Roger]

Well with all this tension, I think we need a fashionably well made montage of all of us doing various activities and ignore the main plot of the current story. Surely by then, we'll stumble across a clue or any manner of information.... Right?

[Annoying Prick]

Now you’re talking some sense...

This is all exactly what I've been pointing out in my discussion with you, I haven't said anything new.

The Final Girl(s) is/are confirmed town because they are targeted by the killer

It doesn't say that anywhere though. I refuse to take that for granted unless Duck confirms it. You didn't make the rules and you didn't decide which roles can or cannot be mafia. Duck easily could have put a red herring in like that, either intentionally or as a result of using some kind of randomiser to assign mafia status to the roles.

And, no, that isn't me trying to start a lynch train on Aragorn or whatever other absurd thing you're going to infer.

[bigboss88]

As of now, I still believe Annoying Prick is mafia because of his flip flopping and accusing me snd Aragorn to a possibility of us being mafia playing everyone when I voted to lynch him day 1!

If anyone has something to share, please do because I’m really starting to be bored of me and Annoying Prick picking on each other while all of are silent since morning 🤣