Yeah, now that I can believe!

Well maybe court jester isn't a fair description, class clown perhaps

I feel like he had made most of his feelings on most major things clear early on and then just went into court jester mode

Tbh I can't remember exactly what Roy said but I always found anything "controversial" that he said hard to believe since he loved winding people up especially in serious threads

I think our gauge of 'older members' might be perception, that wasn't the vibe on the board with the people who I interacted with - but again, I think I was sliding into inactivity when you had joined. The thread I found the people who I remembered (with the exception of Roy, which I was surprised by), were, by and large, on the side that I thought they would be. Granted I only read the first three pages.

as for the MGTOW crew, I remember Novitch was expressly on that train but I always assumed he was just like a dumb kid with a huge language barrier so I think he was just easy to influence. I think Intandem was on that path too/

But yeah I do remember the N-word craze. It was one of the funnier fights in retrospect.

A lot of the positive shift was because of Henry, to his credit. Once he got more active things got more in line.

The big totem pole shift happened in around 2016 when people were like ''wait maybe slurs are bad and women are good'' and it just didn't sit right with a lot of the older members who were still on that 4chan early 2010s internet grind.

I hope this is not Chris' blood

I literally had to google that. That probably says quite a lot about my online presence in messageboards/forums etc in the mid 2010s and onward. I've always sorta eschewed that. I wonder if that was one of the reasons I ended up being less active on MGSF.

At least one, with some sympathetic to the "cause." And a lot of anti feminist rhetoric.

There were a few self-proclaimed "MGTOW"ers on the board at the time.

It lines up pretty well.

I wish I had a more eloquent way of putting that but here we are.

Looking at the dates was the rise of the libertarian/alt-right/manosphere mysoginist gamer-gate terminally online fuckfest?

I don't think the majority were actually against it. It was pricks wanting to be pricks.

And for them to circle round to "oh we agree they should be banned but but but it's because the people who complained were pals with the staff" was such a reach.

Yep.

Jfc did things get that bad?