Global Politics - General Chat

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Maybe I’m just looking in the wrong directions, but I am in fact seeing plenty of people saying they’re glad he’s dead. Aragorn just said he’d piss on his grave lol. It’s not just that people feel no sympathy; some people are happy about it, and that’s where it gets weird for me.

Not feeling any sympathy I understand to some degree. Maybe I haven’t made myself clear enough, but it’s really just the people who seem to think the whole thing is worth laughing at that I find a little gross

While I'm not actively celebrating, I also completely get why some people are and don't condemn them for it whatsoever.  Farron Cousins said it perfectly this morning (starting at 3:10 specifically):



And that is absolutely the truth.  Those who keep saying "Kirk just had controversial opinions" are simply wrong.  He very directly put targets on the backs of the most marginalized among us.  

So, while I don't share the sentiment, I only don't share it because no material good comes of using political violence against evil men like Charlie Kirk.  It's not like Turning Point USA is gonna suddenly stop spreading their hatred and getting more extremists reelected, or that the right won't have more propagandists to spread Kirk's evil message.

But for those cheering because there's one less evil person in the world putting targets on people's backs?  I completely get it.

you’re making it seem like that’s not a lot of people but I’m seeing it everywhere. Could just be because that’s where my focus is because I find it disturbing.

You're not seeing it among democratic lawmakers or the most popular left wing voices the way you're seeing the countless calls for violence from right wing lawmakers and the most influential right wing voices in the country, like Musk, Mace or Waters.  You're seeing it from some random Joe Schmo Left-o's on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and Youtube.  Their clips may go viral but theirs isn't the consensus from those with the most influence.  And frankly, if it were, I would struggle to be all that bothered that someone who made millions by spreading hate got that hate paid back to him by a 22 year old groyper of all people.

Idk. Lot of shootings all the time now, and I’ve reached a point in life where I’ve got kids and a family to worry about, which is still a fairly new thing to me. I never used to really think or care much about the world I was in. Now that I do I find myself worrying about them and how other people behave around them.  I want my whole family carrying a gun and knowing how to use it, but I don’t want them using it for no good reason either. Just want them protected, and shit is the Wild West out there these days.

Mass shootings are increasing like wildfire here and that is a very real and valid concern.  But you're looking at two completely unrelated facets.  "The left is mocking Kirk's death" and "mass shootings are increasing and that is alarming."

The left is decidedly not why mass shootings are increasing.  That is the fault of the right.  100% their fault, and people like Kirk are to blame for instilling that anxiety in you as well.  We're both old enough to remember that mass shootings didn't become a regular occurrence until after 2004, when George W. Bush's supreme court ended the assault weapons ban.  After that moment, shootings skyrocketed, and people like Kirk pretended that it's only because of gang violence.  Well, look at all the mass shootings of late, and how many are carried out by deranged right wingers who were radicalized by people like Charlie Kirk telling them that these various communities are the enemy of the people.

Charlie Kirk used his massive microphone to help elect and reelect the worst human beings into positions of power who wanna spill more guns into the general public.  Kirk said "if some people get shot up, it's worth it" because in his disgusting worldview, guns matter more than people.  To the man you're saying "it's weird people celebrate his death," he would've said gun rights matter more than the safety of your children.

If your concern in all of this is that shootings are happening with more regularity, then my advice is to direct that frustration at the people who make that the reality we all live with.  I don't know which state you live in, but look at where your local reps stand on gun violence, look at the records and see what the rate of shootings in your area are.  Demand more stringent gun control so the most insane people in this decrepit nation don't have the means to keep doing what they've been doing ever since republicans ended the AR ban.  Demand that the right wingers stop stoking this sick gun culture where every right winger has an AR-15 sticker on their truck with the none too subtle threat of "Try and take 'em" proudly on display.

People making jokes or celebrating the death of a bad person who helped perpetuate the regularity of mass shootings is not the problem and not the thing to focus on if your concern is the increase of shootings.  It's the guns and the people who wanna make sure the guns can't be regulated or kept from dangerous people.