(18-05-2026, 11:42 AM)NateDog Wrote: I'm assuming this is related to Naomi helping EVA and Ocelot in getting Grey Fox to kill Dr. Clark. Naomi was OK with it / wanted it because Dr. Clark was the one that was responsible for Frank Jaeger's transformation into Grey Fox by using him for gene therapy experiments and putting him into an exoskeleton. EVA and Ocelot had planned to take out each of the Patriots so this was a step forward with that, and the lab where he and the genome soldiers were being experimented on ended up destroyed, so it didn't arise suspicion from the Patriots that someone was trying to kill them.

(18-05-2026, 03:14 PM)ahln1239 Wrote:

(18-05-2026, 11:42 AM)NateDog Wrote: I'm assuming this is related to Naomi helping EVA and Ocelot in getting Grey Fox to kill Dr. Clark. Naomi was OK with it / wanted it because Dr. Clark was the one that was responsible for Frank Jaeger's transformation into Grey Fox by using him for gene therapy experiments and putting him into an exoskeleton. EVA and Ocelot had planned to take out each of the Patriots so this was a step forward with that, and the lab where he and the genome soldiers were being experimented on ended up destroyed, so it didn't arise suspicion from the Patriots that someone was trying to kill them.

first of all thanks a million times! but i was referring to mgs4 when liquid ocelot was saying right after he captured big bos's body (i got to this part) "naomi told me everyhting" and then naomi shows up with liquid ocelot on the ship, that betryal during the game...what i do not understand is how she helped liquid ocelot to find big boss's body? he already searched eorupe even when naomi was with us and started to get all clingy with otacon.
here is the exact moment of her "betryal" which i'm confused about what exactly she did that helped liquid ocelot... https://youtu.be/-vHDuDos7zs?si=_Iv9iLDvcyGIy5lW&t=6941

thanks again!

(18-05-2026, 04:44 PM)NateDog Wrote:

(18-05-2026, 03:14 PM)ahln1239 Wrote:

(18-05-2026, 11:42 AM)NateDog Wrote: I'm assuming this is related to Naomi helping EVA and Ocelot in getting Grey Fox to kill Dr. Clark. Naomi was OK with it / wanted it because Dr. Clark was the one that was responsible for Frank Jaeger's transformation into Grey Fox by using him for gene therapy experiments and putting him into an exoskeleton. EVA and Ocelot had planned to take out each of the Patriots so this was a step forward with that, and the lab where he and the genome soldiers were being experimented on ended up destroyed, so it didn't arise suspicion from the Patriots that someone was trying to kill them.

first of all thanks a million times! but i was referring to mgs4 when liquid ocelot was saying right after he captured big bos's body (i got to this part) "naomi told me everyhting" and then naomi shows up with liquid ocelot on the ship, that betryal during the game...what i do not understand is how she helped liquid ocelot to find big boss's body? he already searched eorupe even when naomi was with us and started to get all clingy with otacon.
here is the exact moment of her "betryal" which i'm confused about what exactly she did that helped liquid ocelot... https://youtu.be/-vHDuDos7zs?si=_Iv9iLDvcyGIy5lW&t=6941

thanks again!

Ah sorry. In between the events of MGS2 and MGS4, Raiden saved Sunny from the Patriots, but he had to help EVA locate and steal BB's body before he could find out where Sunny was. He succeeded in both but was caught by the Patriots. Maybe Naomi had some involvement in this. We never really got any finer details about that event. Although I'm not sure how well that would line up with those character's motivations though.